Map Pack Reorganized, New Maps, New Effort - Page 2

Duken4evr · 11-16-2009, 03:14 PM

Let the group testing begin...

CrazyBiker · 11-16-2009, 03:16 PM

Duke, take a look at the couple of tuner maps I posted if they are any better or similar to exisiting ones?

Duken4evr · 11-16-2009, 05:28 PM

Thanks for posting those I added the Micron map to the Stage 4 folder as the map is for a full system. Is the Scorpion slip on map also by MRP? I stuck that one in the Stage II stock plates with FCE folder.

There are some similarities in the full system map you posted to the general trend of the other maps. Are you running this map now? The smoothed stage 4 map is generally richer and has more advance in the ignition table at part throttle. It is different enough from the one you posted that you probably will feel the difference, better or worse. Let us know

jlewis_02 · 11-16-2009, 06:53 PM

I have no internet skills dang it anyway.

whittlebeast · 11-16-2009, 07:16 PM

jlewis That link is busted. Can you email it to me?

awhittle at ncs-stl dot com

jlewis_02 · 11-16-2009, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whittlebeast

jlewis That link is busted. Can you email it to me?

awhittle at ncs-stl dot com

Sent it.

CrazyBiker · 11-16-2009, 07:24 PM

The other one is not by MRP. It came with my used pc3 from a guy who custom dynoed at around 151bhp.

whittlebeast · 11-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlewis_02

Sent it.

If you want to try a smoothed version of your tune, I put it up on

http://www.ncs-stl.com/PowerCommander/

AW

jlewis_02 · 11-16-2009, 08:12 PM

Thanx I will put the multi hub on and the map switch so I can compare the two.

Duken4evr · 11-21-2009, 03:54 PM

Well I have a new favorite map. Whittlebeast has wrought a masterpiece with his Stage 4 Smoothed Rev01 map. It is the smoothest map from idle to the rev limiter of any I have tried to date. The important 4-6K rpm range feels considerably more "solid" than the Hybrid 3.0 map and the top end is just turbine like.

6th gear 5,000 rpm roll ons into a stiff cold wind were impressive - netting 135 mph in quite a hurry without bothering to downshift or even tuck in much. No lag, no gargling, just good old fashioned liter class inevitable just jumped out of an airplane acceleration. This with stock gearing mind you. 4th gear 7,000 rpm and up is just plain frantic and smooth. Hit the rev limiter 5 times today, a new record. The thing just pulls so smooth and hard. I might have to name this one the "go directly to jail map" because it encourages bad behavior

It was quite a stark contrast from my last ride, was on the same road and about the same conditions. I was running my 11/6/09 map experiment, which is quite a bit leaner than this map. My bike wanted more fuel, evidently, particularly between 4-6K rpm.

She is running right guys. Try this map. It is in the map pack inside Whittlebeast folder in the map pack. It is for bikes with a full system and "all the mods". Thanks Andy. I am going to "test" this one for awhile.

CrazyBiker · 11-21-2009, 03:57 PM

I am running the smoothened H3.0. Like it so far. Time to put in the WB stage 4 at the next fillup.

Duken4evr · 11-21-2009, 04:03 PM

Sounds good. Let me know what your results are.

whittlebeast · 11-21-2009, 05:05 PM

Duke

Cool, glad to hear things are coming around. Now lets try the one with a little more fuel up top and see what happens.

AW

Hairball · 11-22-2009, 01:01 PM

Tried the Smoothed Rev 01 today. Things seem to happen crazy fast after 5k. I wish we could rig a switch to change maps on the fly, seems it would be a much better way to compare maps. I have been runnin USAFDPT's leaner 1.2 map, and I have to say I really like that map. I can't say that the smoothed map pulls much harder than the leaner 1.2 over 5k but somehow things just seem to happen way faster with the smoothed map. I had the front come up a couple of times unexpectedly, fun stuff.
Just curious, in the map discription it says it's 3 maps averaged, I understand that doing that will blend the traits of two or more maps but could it not also dilute the good parts of the maps? I guess my question is why not just smooth single maps? In my case I would like to try a smoothed leaner 1.2 or JD's map, my favs till today. It will take more time with the smoothed map to decide where it ranks but it might become my fav.
Thanks for your efforts Duke and whittlebeast, to support our map addiction.

whittlebeast · 11-22-2009, 02:04 PM

If you look at 2000 or so maps in 3D, you can start picking up on the patterns. Huge peaks and dips are almost never the correct answer. I did tech support on MegaSquirt for several years.

Hope this helps

AW

TheRepairMan · 11-22-2009, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whittlebeast

If you look at 2000 or so maps in 3D, you can start picking up on the patterns. Huge peaks and dips are almost never the correct answer. I did tech support on MegaSquirt for several years.

Hope this helps

AW

Just spent a while studying MegaSquirt. A lot to take in for an old newbie. Good to have someone on board here that knows that stuff.

Thanks, Andy!

07FZ-1 · 11-22-2009, 09:22 PM

Is anyone running the accelerator pump function? I remember a while back that some were experimenting with it.....but haven't see anything further.

Need to try this new smoothed map...but we are near out of season here.

whittlebeast · 11-23-2009, 04:46 AM

AE (Acceleration Enrichment) is going to be a fight on these bike and trying to fix it with a Power Commander. The base of the issue is that need for AE is a function of rapid MAP changes and NOT a function of throttle position. Is is close to a function at low RPM. If AE is done based on throttle position, the numbers need to be compleatly different at low RPM compared to high RPM. The also are very different and low throttle angles compared to high throttle openings. At low RPM all the AE happens below 15 degrees of throttle. The factory would have all of this programed based on the angle of the top flies and not the lower ones. All of this is the source of the Pa-Paaa issue.

Good luck with that one.

Megasquirt is the only known inexpensive solution to AE adjustability.

Search for EFI 101 for lots more info on this.

Have fun tuning

AW

TheRepairMan · 11-23-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whittlebeast

AE (Acceleration Enrichment) is going to be a fight on these bike and trying to fix it with a Power Commander. The base of the issue is that need for AE is a function of rapid MAP changes and NOT a function of throttle position. Is is close to a function at low RPM. If AE is done based on throttle position, the numbers need to be compleatly different at low RPM compared to high RPM. The also are very different and low throttle angles compared to high throttle openings. At low RPM all the AE happens below 15 degrees of throttle. The factory would have all of this programed based on the angle of the top flies and not the lower ones. All of this is the source of the Pa-Paaa issue.

Good luck with that one.

Megasquirt is the only known inexpensive solution to AE adjustability.

Search for EFI 101 for lots more info on this.

Have fun tuning

AW

That's right ...just leave us and run off to play!

Finish the project you started on your bike and show us some pics and numbers. You got me too curios to quit now! Come on, now!!!

-R

xavikr · 11-26-2009, 01:12 PM

hi,
I bought my PC3 from a german guy who has what it seems a map for a Leo Vince. It's not the standard Dynojet map for Leo Vine Slip on.
In the "Notes" windows appears:

"FZ 1 07 Leo Vince konisch mit EG
Trichterverlängerungen"

(I can't transalate what "Trichterverlängerungen" it means, I don't speak german, maybe someone could do it?)

11-16-2009, 03:14 PM	#21
Duken4evr Map Maven Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,702	Let the group testing begin... __________________ Akra full exhaust, Lars mod, PX Filter, No 'flies, FCE, PCIII (Perfection Averaged map), BS fuel line mod, IM, $.02 AIS, Penske, 5wt/10wt fork oil mod, 16T, Speedohealer V4, SWT crash bars/Satan pegs. Get your FI maps right here http://www.mediafire.com/?p5al8vbb1p56q0i I would feel awkward on a Harley. The honky-tonk parking lot butt sniffing checking out each other's chrome encrusted doodads social scene they engender is not what riding motorcycles is about.

11-16-2009, 03:16 PM	#22
CrazyBiker Torque Maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 4,780	Duke, take a look at the couple of tuner maps I posted if they are any better or similar to exisiting ones? __________________ 2007 Raven FZ1-R Penske 8983 Shock\|08 R1 Forks,MC\|HyperPro Damper HEL SS Lines\|3-way Adj Levers\|Easton Low Bars\|Giles Rearsets Micron Full System\|Lars AB\|BMC Filter\|Roth Stacks,AIE\|CD Flies\|FCE\|PC5\|SHv4 CF Cowl,Fender,PB Hugger T-Rex Frame,Axle Sliders\|Targa FE Spencer Seat\|Puig DB\|Gripsters Heated Grips\|HIDs\|Protons Givi V35s\|Shad 25 2006 Daytona 675-R Ohlins TTX shock\|GPR V4 Damper\|Attack Rearsets\|Pazzos\|2Bro Slip-on\|Saddlemen\|Seat Cowl\|HIDs

11-16-2009, 05:28 PM	#23
Duken4evr Map Maven Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,702	Thanks for posting those I added the Micron map to the Stage 4 folder as the map is for a full system. Is the Scorpion slip on map also by MRP? I stuck that one in the Stage II stock plates with FCE folder. There are some similarities in the full system map you posted to the general trend of the other maps. Are you running this map now? The smoothed stage 4 map is generally richer and has more advance in the ignition table at part throttle. It is different enough from the one you posted that you probably will feel the difference, better or worse. Let us know __________________ Akra full exhaust, Lars mod, PX Filter, No 'flies, FCE, PCIII (Perfection Averaged map), BS fuel line mod, IM, $.02 AIS, Penske, 5wt/10wt fork oil mod, 16T, Speedohealer V4, SWT crash bars/Satan pegs. Get your FI maps right here http://www.mediafire.com/?p5al8vbb1p56q0i I would feel awkward on a Harley. The honky-tonk parking lot butt sniffing checking out each other's chrome encrusted doodads social scene they engender is not what riding motorcycles is about.

11-16-2009, 06:53 PM	#24
jlewis_02 Dragracer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,564	I have no internet skills dang it anyway. __________________ 08 ZX14 Yamaha Fz1 1/4mile Database Last edited by jlewis_02; 11-16-2009 at 07:20 PM.

11-16-2009, 07:16 PM	#25
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	jlewis That link is busted. Can you email it to me? awhittle at ncs-stl dot com __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

11-16-2009, 07:24 PM	#27
CrazyBiker Torque Maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 4,780	The other one is not by MRP. It came with my used pc3 from a guy who custom dynoed at around 151bhp. __________________ 2007 Raven FZ1-R Penske 8983 Shock\|08 R1 Forks,MC\|HyperPro Damper HEL SS Lines\|3-way Adj Levers\|Easton Low Bars\|Giles Rearsets Micron Full System\|Lars AB\|BMC Filter\|Roth Stacks,AIE\|CD Flies\|FCE\|PC5\|SHv4 CF Cowl,Fender,PB Hugger T-Rex Frame,Axle Sliders\|Targa FE Spencer Seat\|Puig DB\|Gripsters Heated Grips\|HIDs\|Protons Givi V35s\|Shad 25 2006 Daytona 675-R Ohlins TTX shock\|GPR V4 Damper\|Attack Rearsets\|Pazzos\|2Bro Slip-on\|Saddlemen\|Seat Cowl\|HIDs

11-16-2009, 08:12 PM	#29
jlewis_02 Dragracer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,564	Thanx I will put the multi hub on and the map switch so I can compare the two. __________________ 08 ZX14 Yamaha Fz1 1/4mile Database

11-21-2009, 03:54 PM	#30
Duken4evr Map Maven Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,702	Well I have a new favorite map. Whittlebeast has wrought a masterpiece with his Stage 4 Smoothed Rev01 map. It is the smoothest map from idle to the rev limiter of any I have tried to date. The important 4-6K rpm range feels considerably more "solid" than the Hybrid 3.0 map and the top end is just turbine like. 6th gear 5,000 rpm roll ons into a stiff cold wind were impressive - netting 135 mph in quite a hurry without bothering to downshift or even tuck in much. No lag, no gargling, just good old fashioned liter class inevitable just jumped out of an airplane acceleration. This with stock gearing mind you. 4th gear 7,000 rpm and up is just plain frantic and smooth. Hit the rev limiter 5 times today, a new record. The thing just pulls so smooth and hard. I might have to name this one the "go directly to jail map" because it encourages bad behavior It was quite a stark contrast from my last ride, was on the same road and about the same conditions. I was running my 11/6/09 map experiment, which is quite a bit leaner than this map. My bike wanted more fuel, evidently, particularly between 4-6K rpm. She is running right guys. Try this map. It is in the map pack inside Whittlebeast folder in the map pack. It is for bikes with a full system and "all the mods". Thanks Andy. I am going to "test" this one for awhile. __________________ Akra full exhaust, Lars mod, PX Filter, No 'flies, FCE, PCIII (Perfection Averaged map), BS fuel line mod, IM, $.02 AIS, Penske, 5wt/10wt fork oil mod, 16T, Speedohealer V4, SWT crash bars/Satan pegs. Get your FI maps right here http://www.mediafire.com/?p5al8vbb1p56q0i I would feel awkward on a Harley. The honky-tonk parking lot butt sniffing checking out each other's chrome encrusted doodads social scene they engender is not what riding motorcycles is about.

11-21-2009, 03:57 PM	#31
CrazyBiker Torque Maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 4,780	I am running the smoothened H3.0. Like it so far. Time to put in the WB stage 4 at the next fillup. __________________ 2007 Raven FZ1-R Penske 8983 Shock\|08 R1 Forks,MC\|HyperPro Damper HEL SS Lines\|3-way Adj Levers\|Easton Low Bars\|Giles Rearsets Micron Full System\|Lars AB\|BMC Filter\|Roth Stacks,AIE\|CD Flies\|FCE\|PC5\|SHv4 CF Cowl,Fender,PB Hugger T-Rex Frame,Axle Sliders\|Targa FE Spencer Seat\|Puig DB\|Gripsters Heated Grips\|HIDs\|Protons Givi V35s\|Shad 25 2006 Daytona 675-R Ohlins TTX shock\|GPR V4 Damper\|Attack Rearsets\|Pazzos\|2Bro Slip-on\|Saddlemen\|Seat Cowl\|HIDs

11-21-2009, 04:03 PM	#32
Duken4evr Map Maven Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,702	Sounds good. Let me know what your results are. __________________ Akra full exhaust, Lars mod, PX Filter, No 'flies, FCE, PCIII (Perfection Averaged map), BS fuel line mod, IM, $.02 AIS, Penske, 5wt/10wt fork oil mod, 16T, Speedohealer V4, SWT crash bars/Satan pegs. Get your FI maps right here http://www.mediafire.com/?p5al8vbb1p56q0i I would feel awkward on a Harley. The honky-tonk parking lot butt sniffing checking out each other's chrome encrusted doodads social scene they engender is not what riding motorcycles is about.

11-21-2009, 05:05 PM	#33
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	Duke Cool, glad to hear things are coming around. Now lets try the one with a little more fuel up top and see what happens. AW __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

11-22-2009, 01:01 PM	#34
Hairball Dazed and confuzed Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cedarburg,WI Posts: 466	Tried the Smoothed Rev 01 today. Things seem to happen crazy fast after 5k. I wish we could rig a switch to change maps on the fly, seems it would be a much better way to compare maps. I have been runnin USAFDPT's leaner 1.2 map, and I have to say I really like that map. I can't say that the smoothed map pulls much harder than the leaner 1.2 over 5k but somehow things just seem to happen way faster with the smoothed map. I had the front come up a couple of times unexpectedly, fun stuff. Just curious, in the map discription it says it's 3 maps averaged, I understand that doing that will blend the traits of two or more maps but could it not also dilute the good parts of the maps? I guess my question is why not just smooth single maps? In my case I would like to try a smoothed leaner 1.2 or JD's map, my favs till today. It will take more time with the smoothed map to decide where it ranks but it might become my fav. Thanks for your efforts Duke and whittlebeast, to support our map addiction. __________________ R-77 Carbon,PC111,Ign module,no flys,BMC filter,Air Box mod, FCE, Factory Pro Velocity Stacks,Roth AIS plates, Mag-Knight Carbon Tank Bra, Clearalternatives taillight, Hyperpro RSC stabilizer,Penski Double Adjustable,07 R1 Forks with AK-20 carts, Rizoma Rearsets,Stealth Rear Sprocket, Spiegler SS brake lines, SW-Motech Crashbars,Sargent Seat,Rizoma conical bars and 42mm risers, Rizoma Reverse Retro Mirrors, speedohealer,16 tooth c/s, jwhelan's radiator guard

11-22-2009, 02:04 PM	#35
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	If you look at 2000 or so maps in 3D, you can start picking up on the patterns. Huge peaks and dips are almost never the correct answer. I did tech support on MegaSquirt for several years. Hope this helps AW __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

11-22-2009, 09:22 PM	#37
07FZ-1 Twisted Wrister Join Date: May 2007 Location: St. Charles IL Posts: 441	Is anyone running the accelerator pump function? I remember a while back that some were experimenting with it.....but haven't see anything further. Need to try this new smoothed map...but we are near out of season here. __________________ "The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice." C. Ray Davis

11-23-2009, 04:46 AM	#38
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	AE (Acceleration Enrichment) is going to be a fight on these bike and trying to fix it with a Power Commander. The base of the issue is that need for AE is a function of rapid MAP changes and NOT a function of throttle position. Is is close to a function at low RPM. If AE is done based on throttle position, the numbers need to be compleatly different at low RPM compared to high RPM. The also are very different and low throttle angles compared to high throttle openings. At low RPM all the AE happens below 15 degrees of throttle. The factory would have all of this programed based on the angle of the top flies and not the lower ones. All of this is the source of the Pa-Paaa issue. Good luck with that one. Megasquirt is the only known inexpensive solution to AE adjustability. Search for EFI 101 for lots more info on this. Have fun tuning AW __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

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