Custom PCIII Maps

[vangoo]

Originally Posted by Cougar

Not likely. Most of the maps are used for increased air flow due to new slip-ons & airbox mods, therefore they generally add fuel.

Then why are most maps mostly negative ?

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by vangoo

Then why are most maps mostly negative ?

The only map I have to look at here is the latest one from Ivan and it does not have any negative numbers.

[mrjcall]

Originally Posted by Cougar

The only map I have to look at here is the latest one from Ivan and it does not have any negative numbers.

Ivan's is the ONLY map with all positive numbers....

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by mrjcall

Ivan's is the ONLY map with all positive numbers....

I stand corrected!

[mrjcall]

Originally Posted by Cougar

I stand corrected!

Hey Jim: No harm, no foul Dude!!! As I've stated a couple times on this forum, it's downright amazing how you can have a map like Ivan's and a map like either Lars' or Dek's feel so similar when you consider the huge differences in fueling. Honestly, when I saw Ivan's map after running almost all the other maps, I just laughed and said, that ain't gonna work. Then I decided to try it just fer grins and sheeit! Very little my butt dyno could detect. What I could detect howsomever was fuel mileage. MUCH better with Dek's final 'flies' map. Mebbe by as much as 10-15 miles per full tank. That's worth switching for, especially when one considers that the performance difference is negliable....

Could be that we are all being taken for a "ride" (pun definitely intended) regarding the benefits of fuel mapping, eh?

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by mrjcall

Hey Jim: No harm, no foul Dude!!! As I've stated a couple times on this forum, it's downright amazing how you can have a map like Ivan's and a map like either Lars' or Dek's feel so similar when you consider the huge differences in fueling. Honestly, when I saw Ivan's map after running almost all the other maps, I just laughed and said, that ain't gonna work. Then I decided to try it just fer grins and sheeit! Very little my butt dyno could detect. What I could detect howsomever was fuel mileage. MUCH better with Dek's final 'flies' map. Mebbe by as much as 10-15 miles per full tank. That's worth switching for, especially when one considers that the performance difference is negliable....

Could be that we are all being taken for a "ride" (pun definitely intended) regarding the benefits of fuel mapping, eh?

Maybe so! I just tried a version of Dek's map that had a bit more fuel added at low RPM and it worked great too.

[patricjft]

Originally Posted by Cougar

Maybe so! I just tried a version of Dek's map that had a bit more fuel added at low RPM and it worked great too.

I don't know, I feel a difference. The bike just seems to run smoother with Ivan's map. It has smoother throttle response and less vibration throughout the rev range. Now, I think the only way we would be able to see if it makes a true performance diifference is to try all the different maps on a dyno in the same bike. But, yeah, performance wise, I can't feel a difference, but ridability and smooth running, I can.

[Aaron S]

Originally Posted by Angstromm

So, more as a matter of curiosity than anything else, is Dek the only one providing and/or sharing maps with the community?

Hi all, I posted an update to Dek's map in this thread: http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71331

I haven't been looking at the stickies lately and I forgot we had a maps thread.

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by Angstromm

So, more as a matter of curiosity than anything else, is Dek the only one providing and/or sharing maps with the community?

No, Lars has given his away too.

[diederik]

i compared dek's map to ivan's map on the dyno. there was hardly a dfference, were there was a difference it was Ivan's map that made a little more power. i don't chase half horses and personally I would rather have a slightly rich map to a slightly lean map. Also fuel consumption is not so important to me, as long as it is acceptable. I enjoy my bike to much to be concerned about squeesing the last km out of the tank, the way I ride i will never have good consumption. the fact that I weigh 120kg doesn't help either.

[mrjcall]

Originally Posted by diederik

i compared dek's map to ivan's map on the dyno. there was hardly a dfference, were there was a difference it was Ivan's map that made a little more power. i don't chase half horses and personally I would rather have a slightly rich map to a slightly lean map. Also fuel consumption is not so important to me, as long as it is acceptable. I enjoy my bike to much to be concerned about squeesing the last km out of the tank, the way I ride i will never have good consumption. the fact that I weigh 120kg doesn't help either.

OK all youse heavy hitters out there that understand such stuff, why is it that wildly divergent maps produce similar HP on the dyno? My butt confirms this, but what does this lead us to, eh?

[patricjft]

Originally Posted by mrjcall

OK all youse heavy hitters out there that understand such stuff, why is it that wildly divergent maps produce similar HP on the dyno? My butt confirms this, but what does this lead us to, eh?

Uhhh, maybe it is like you said earlier: Could be that we are all being taken for a "ride" (pun definitely intended) regarding the benefits of fuel mapping, eh?

But, Ivan does have new revised maps out. I have mine. Haven't looked at the file or loaded it yet though.

[Flatline74]

Ok I have Lar's map loaded with scorpion slip-on, modded air box, blocked ais. I am loving it with the exception of 1200-2000 rpm range, If I nail it it seems to lag to just abit before coming on.

Does anyone have another map I could try?

[mrjcall]

Originally Posted by Flatline74

Ok I have Lar's map loaded with scorpion slip-on, modded air box, blocked ais. I am loving it with the exception of 1200-2000 rpm range, If I nail it it seems to lag to just abit before coming on.

Does anyone have another map I could try?

NO ONE has a map that'll help in that rpm range!!!

[djacobs]

I need a good map for a 2006 with the following mods. 15t sprocket, holeshot slipon, FCE, cat removed, airbox mod w/BMC filter.

[CharleyB]

I have had 16T, FCE, AIS removed, cat skinned, and 2 Bros CF can installed for a while now on my '06.

Today I removed the flies, removed stock filter screen, did airbox mod, and installed a PC3 with Dek's latest map. In doing so I disconnected the O2 sensor and did the zero throttle setup as explained in the PC instructions.

After doing today's work when blipping the throttle from idle in neutral it hesitates/bogs>
When riding around easy it seems OK but gutless. At 3 to 4K if you give it a handful it bogs and sounds like it is pre detonating. Basically give it any application of the throttle aggressively and it bogs and accelerates moderately at best ( much poorer than before today's work ). It also seems to have a vibration sound when accelerating hard that wasn't there before.
In first gear it was all I could do to get some front wheel lift when hammering it at 7K, whereas before todays mods I could lift the front at 7K in 2nd gear pretty easily.

Any suggestions as to where things have gone backwards instead of my hoped for improvement?

[Angstromm]

Originally Posted by CharleyB

I have had 16T, FCE, AIS removed, cat skinned, and 2 Bros CF can installed for a while now on my '06.

Today I removed the flies, removed stock filter screen, did airbox mod, and installed a PC3 with Dek's latest map. In doing so I disconnected the O2 sensor and did the zero throttle setup as explained in the PC instructions.

After doing today's work when blipping the throttle from idle in neutral it hesitates/bogs>
When riding around easy it seems OK but gutless. At 3 to 4K if you give it a handful it bogs and sounds like it is pre detonating. Basically give it any application of the throttle aggressively and it bogs and accelerates moderately at best ( much poorer than before today's work ). It also seems to have a vibration sound when accelerating hard that wasn't there before.
In first gear it was all I could do to get some front wheel lift when hammering it at 7K, whereas before todays mods I could lift the front at 7K in 2nd gear pretty easily.

Any suggestions as to where things have gone backwards instead of my hoped for improvement?

Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for your woes (but I'm sure there are others that do.

I would recommend that you post this as a unique thread--yr sure to get a ton more traffic that way.

[diederik]

In all honesty, and I know a lot of people will disagree, i would put the flies back in and just ziptie them, some bikes tend to bog down with the flies removed. otherwise just get a set of modifies flies from Ivan. They are cheap, he should then give you his map to try as well. (not that there is anything wrong with dek's map) it just gives you more choices

[mrjcall]

Originally Posted by CharleyB

I have had 16T, FCE, AIS removed, cat skinned, and 2 Bros CF can installed for a while now on my '06.

Today I removed the flies, removed stock filter screen, did airbox mod, and installed a PC3 with Dek's latest map. In doing so I disconnected the O2 sensor and did the zero throttle setup as explained in the PC instructions.

After doing today's work when blipping the throttle from idle in neutral it hesitates/bogs>
When riding around easy it seems OK but gutless. At 3 to 4K if you give it a handful it bogs and sounds like it is pre detonating. Basically give it any application of the throttle aggressively and it bogs and accelerates moderately at best ( much poorer than before today's work ). It also seems to have a vibration sound when accelerating hard that wasn't there before.
In first gear it was all I could do to get some front wheel lift when hammering it at 7K, whereas before todays mods I could lift the front at 7K in 2nd gear pretty easily.

Any suggestions as to where things have gone backwards instead of my hoped for improvement?

Having almost the identical mods myself, I can tell you that if it doesn't run like a scalded ape, you've done something wrong. I can only suggest going back over your latest mods with a fine tooth comb and make sure all is in order including, but not limited to, reloading the map. If you did everything correctly, starting from your other mods when it was running fine, there just has to be something wrong with what you've done somewhere.
JC

[CharleyB]

we did load the map twice just in case, I suppose I'll try a Power Commander map off their website to see if my bike doesn't like Dek's map for some reason.
I noted PC's instructions didn't say to disconnect the O2 sensor, but I read it here from you guys so I did it.

Angstromm, I know you didn't offer any advice this time, but I always enjoy seeing your posts, hmmmm, maybe its the dancing babe?