How low would you go...on Shinko?

[SAFZ1]

I have the Shinko 009's, and in general--they feel great. I've not seen any signs of wear, they havent loss grip yet around town, and have good front end feel. Lately, because I'm finding them trustworthy, I've leaned the fizzer over more, almost to the point of eliminating the strips.

But I'm not sure on going quite that low--because those tires have a stigma. They aren't nicknamed stinko's for being great at full lean.

How many of you are taking these 009's full lean?

[robrides85]

Anytime I wonder whether I should buy a tire with a better brand reaction, I refer myself and others to the following link:

http://www.sportbikes.ws/showthread.php?t=106588

[gotfz1]

Shinko is korean for lowside.

[stretch160]

It's realy more a question of tire load then lean angle.
I've dragged a knee in hair pin corners with a Shinko 009. It requires a different riding style. more of a roll into the corner (like wet weather riding) as apposed to the snap and set technique used with more sport orienting rubber. a taller gear and a more gradual roll on (maint throttle as apposed to acceleration) while leaned over is also advised if you don't wish to square off the corner.
I would not recomend attempting a knee down high speed sweeping corner.

[Sodie82]

I had brand new shinko 009 on a xj650 last summer and it only lasted one summer but performed alright, I think I only paid 40 bucks for it

[rafartist]

BIG BIG difference between a 650 and a liter bike! just a little info for those not in the know. A liter bike will land your dumb ass in the ER quick without some serious respect! Thats not to say mine hasn't landed my "dumb ass" there a few times

[ReconViper1]

Originally Posted by SAFZ1

I have the Shinko 009's, and in general--they feel great. I've not seen any signs of wear, they havent loss grip yet around town, and have good front end feel. Lately, because I'm finding them trustworthy, I've leaned the fizzer over more, almost to the point of eliminating the strips.

But I'm not sure on going quite that low--because those tires have a stigma. They aren't nicknamed stinko's for being great at full lean.

How many of you are taking these 009's full lean?

Let's all take unfounded internet rumor, posted by the uninformed, and try to turn it into fact. Hmmm, that's going to take some work.

Ride the danged tires and stop listening to those with much to say and nothing to base it on.

Do you get the feedback in a corner or does it go out to the internet experts?

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. If the internet experts were as well informed as they believe, they would be charging for their expertise.

If your Shinko Ravens are as bad as you may believe, contact me and I will give you my shipping address. I can use them and use them well. We have a lot of curves in the Texas Hill Country.

[SAFZ1]

FACT: Not all tires are created equal. There are tires that work better at full lean than others. Some tires don't do well in the rain, some don't wear as well, some are more temperature sensitive. Sometimes when you push a tire beyond it's limits, it gives gradually, and sometimes it just gives. So the feedback mid-corner may not provide enough time to decide whether you've pushed the tire beyond its limit. How do we know this? From empirical data...real world experience. Every tire review you read...ironically...ON THE INTERNET is based on this.

Which brings me to another point: the internet is simply a communication medium. The medium doesn't alter the viability of the information being given. The author of the information is what lends credibility. If someone says that they were on Shinko's and wiped out in a turn that they've taken plenty of times before on other tires...then we have to take that into consideration. The law of large numbers determines how reliable the assertion is. If 80/100 people say they've ridden on them and found them unacceptable...guess what? I'm going to go with the notion because it's reliable.

That's the reason I posed the question; because stereotypes and generalizations ARE indeed based in part on fact, whether you want to believe it or not; and there is a reason why people feel the tires aren't up to snuff, and it's based on people's experiences with them.

What I'm asking for...is people's experience with the 009 sport touring tires...if you have no experience with them, don't bother replying.

[jredford]

I agree completely. I have ridden Shinkos on my Motard when everyone in my group laughed, I found them completely acceptable and will continue to use them and save money.

[CATAPLT]

I just replaced the tires on my bike. I needed tires fast. My local bike shop had the shinko's in stock. I looked at them for one second and then saw the price. I passed and got a set of Q2s.

I had no factual reason to not get then, but the price just said cheap to me. The cheap mindset is enough to make me not trust the tire and make a mistake. I almost certainly cannot ride any tire to it's limit, but if there is a thought in my head that the bike (tires or whatever) is not 100% I will focus on that and do something dumb.

For me I will go with what I know works and let others learn what does not. It's kinda dumb, but thats the way I feel.

[bonesFZ1]

I used the 005's on my old Bandit. Profile took getting used to, but they worked fine until I could afford to buy what I wanted. My friend has the "stealths" on his CBR 1000 rr. He is one of the best riders I know. He says they are good to go up until about 8/10ths full speed in the twisties. I am not slow by any means and I could not keep up with him, (he was not even close to what he calls 8/10ths full speed), with those tires on..
I do not know about the 009's, but they cannot be that bad. My friend on his Ninja 600 runs them and loves them. He laughs all the way to the bank.
Run 'em and use your head while riding..

[Duken4evr]

What kind of mileage are these tires returning? Curious, as I am a cheap bastard who does not ride all that hard anyway.

[jdc606]

Originally Posted by Duken4evr

What kind of mileage are these tires returning? Curious, as I am a cheap bastard who does not ride all that hard anyway.

I used a set of Shinko 009's. The rear has a wide, flat profile. As for grip...the peg feelers of my FZ1 have never touched asphalt because it scares me to lean over that far. So the Shinkos have more grip than I have used up.
Now to answer your mileage question. A 190/50 PR2 cost me $168 and went 3900 miles until chord was showing. The Shinko 009 was $105 and lasted 1600 miles on same roads and riding style. I got about 1.5X as many miles per dollar with the Michelin. Also used up a set of Shinko 005's with same results as the 009's. The 005's felt weird from day one... like knobby tires on your dirt bike as you push it across the driveway.

[Bocephous]

I've been using 009's for a couple years now (02 FZ1) and have no complaints. Getting about 3500 miles on a rear tire, 5000 to a front on the
FZ1. I use my bikes almost exclusively to commute to and from work, so same roads almost all the time. When I owned my Speed Triple I wore out a Michelin PP rear in 1600 miles on the same commute. Very rough roads, and I believe they pave them with recycled cheese graters.

Oh, I'm also running Shinko's on my DL1000, 705's, and they are, for their design, an insanely grippy tire. Wear is high, as I don't think I'll get 3000 miles on the 705 rear, but I don't worry about running down a dirt road with that tire selection on the 'Strom, either.

[jredford]

On the Motard I get thru a whole season 6-8 trackdays on a set.

[rafartist]

Man i think i posted this question 2 years ago and couldn't get an "informed response" like this one. All the reply's were 2nd had telling me how stupid i was for even thinking about it "cause I read" or "I heard", im glad this resurfaced again because if financial struggles ever get bad enough to warrant it, i may have to try them someday.

[SAFZ1]

Well here's a case in point on how different tires can throw you for a loop; I was riding my Speed Triple R just now in the city. It has some Pirelli Supercorsa SP's on it with about 100 miles on them.

I was going around a left hand sweeper connecting from one highway to another...it had a posted speed limit of about 35 mph. I entered relatively slow, right around maybe 40mph (totally guessing though as I didn't look at speedo and base this on relative speed to the cars)...I progressively gave it throttle, and found that I had to lean in a bit more because it ended up being a decreasing radius. I'm making sure to look ALL the way through the corner now, and the next thing I know...my bars are moving left and right, my tire is losing grip and sliding around and about to wash. I arresting my lean and stopped rolling on...started to go wide with a car on my RIGHT SIDE. I straightened up and used some front brake just in time to slide in behind the guy and pull off to another exit.

After the butterflies wore off, I worked my way to a gas station and took a look at the front and rear tires. Seemed that I had hit a "new" section of the front tire. Now these are some expensive tires on the new and expensive motorcycle...so I'm really GLAD that the tire didn't dump me and I luckily didn't make any recovery mistakes. But with regard to the tires...in this case I think you get what you pay for...as the tires didn't just immediately give and put me on the pavement. Rather, they gave me ample warning and time to adjust to the condition and work my way out of it. On the flip side of that comment...WTF is a supercorsa giving way for?! lol.

Carry on.

[Duken4evr]

I was advised to run very high pressures (44 rear, 42 front) in the PR2s by my tire guy. I thought he was crazy, but followed his advice. 10,000 miles later and they are near done. Funny thing is, they ride smoother on the little heaves and such than the OEM 221s with normal 32/34 pressures in them and they grip fine for the not crazy but still 20 over the speed limit type canyon riding I do

Read in another thread how the PR2 carcass is flexible after it gets heat cycled. Could be they need the higher pressures to last. Obviously not a fast guy track day setup, but it has worked fine for me in general riding,which involves some twisties and higher speed sweepers.

I will likely just buy another set of PR2s. They have been a great street tire.

[rafartist]

Dont know what the temp's are around there, maybe you hit a bit of antifreeze? Or a big ass luugie (it is allergy season you know), but ive had some scary moments on every tire ive ever owned. Yesterday coming home on my race attacks the temps. had dropped drastically because a storm front was moving in and i damned near lost my front end on a turn i take everyday (usually at much higher speed!!)? It wiggled like a mother and then just drove on like nothing happened. Maybe someone up stairs gives us a reality check once in a while??

[SAFZ1]

Maybe I shouldn't be scrubbing in tires completely on the street? Especially on highway interchanges....