Rossi...wow (Contains Spoilers)

[gixxerjasen]

Originally Posted by 1slimfizz

Is it ridiculous to be moved to tears watching that? Please tell me no.

Only if you are a homo Lorenzo fan...not that there's anything wrong with that!

[mikey998]

Originally Posted by diehli

http://vimeo.com/32756097

I remember watching that race, it was the first year I really got interested in motogp. How could anyone see that and not be in awe?

[Drew]

Originally Posted by diehli

http://vimeo.com/32756097

One of the best motorsports lap period.

[diehli]

Originally Posted by 1slimfizz

Is it ridiculous to be moved to tears watching that? Please tell me no.

I teared up. Human excellence should do that.

[OSUFZ1]

[quote=Super Googan;2294260]Come on ! WSB is where has-been, nobody MotoGp riders go to die. Checa, Biaggi, Haga...........the list is long. QUOTE]
WSBK is great racing. I don't care how you cut it. I fell in love with that series when Spies competed. IMO its the best moto racing in terms of passing and aggressive racing. And I love that announcer on SPEED. He's great!

[OSUFZ1]

Originally Posted by ballmead

Even if he could get back on a factory Honda or Yamaha, Stoner and Lorenzo would both own him.
Those two boys are super fast and have huge balls, something Valentino is lacking a bit of lately.
When your average team mate and all other Ducati's are frequently out qualifying you then something is definitely wrong.

Nicky Hayden average?? I don't think so.

[Super Googan]

[quote=OSUFZ1;2298201]

Originally Posted by Super Googan

Come on ! WSB is where has-been, nobody MotoGp riders go to die. Checa, Biaggi, Haga...........the list is long. QUOTE]
WSBK is great racing. I don't care how you cut it. I fell in love with that series when Spies competed. IMO its the best moto racing in terms of passing and aggressive racing. And I love that announcer on SPEED. He's great!

Never said the series was not entertaining and arguably more entertaining than MotoGp but it is littered with old, failed or washed up MotoGp racers.

[CrazyJoe]

[quote=Super Googan;2298297]

Originally Posted by OSUFZ1

Never said the series was not entertaining and arguably more entertaining than MotoGp but it is littered with old, failed or washed up MotoGp racers.

That doesn't mean they can't ride and aren't fun to watch.

[Jammd]

Thanks Cullen. I got goosebumps. Awesome finish.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

You are Delusional, Period.

Actually no I'm not. For all of his ability, and there is no doubt that he has talent, Rossi also had the uncanny knack of being in the right place ( or should that be right team) at the right time ( until he took on Ducati and lost).
He also got more help than most with the Saturday night Michelin Specials, etc, development dollars, etc. He was often on the best bike with the best equipment by quite a margin, particularly early on.

When he switched to Yamaha, the bike he inherited was pretty good because of the development that another rider had done in the previous season. People seem to forget this of course. They believe that Rossi is a bike development god. If that were the case though, The Ducati would be awesome by now!

Here is an interesting read on it from someone in the paddock at the time that Rossi came along. Even you may have heard of the guy!LOL

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

[CrazyJoe]

Originally Posted by aussie

They believe that Rossi is a bike development god.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

Yes, he is. The article --- SOUR GRAPES.

[aussie]

Or he is human after all and isn't as good as those who idolize him think he is.

Lets say you are right though!

Now explain why he cant develop the Duc Mr Smarty pants?

[CrazyJoe]

Originally Posted by aussie

Or he is human after all and isn't as good as those who idolize him think he is.

Lets say you are right though!

Now explain why he cant develop the Duc Mr Smarty pants?

IMHO --- The Duc has always been an overated POS. You can put earrings on a turd but it's still a turd.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

Rossi is one kick ass fast SOB. Period. Have any of you considered that if he knows his bike can't win --- what is the point?

I know he wouldn't get -- arm pump.

Fast compared to what exactly?

I don't suffer from arm pump either. Running around mid field in the fast group at my local track means I never really test my gear to its absolute limits!


You have to be pushing the absolute limits of your bike and tyres to experience chatter bad enough to cause arm pump.

Neither Rossi or I are close to that point ATM!

[aussie]

Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

IMHO --- The Duc has always been an overated POS. You can put earrings on a turd but it's still a turd.

I agree! It has ruined many a career. But surely a development god could rise above all of that! Unless.......He's only human!

Only one rider has been competitive on it and he wasn't going to let his first full factory ride go to by the wayside.

Instead he chose to over ride it and either be competitive or crash/die trying to make it in the big time.

[CrazyJoe]

Originally Posted by aussie

I agree! It has ruined many a career. But surely a development god could rise above all of that! Unless.......He's only human!

Only one rider has been competitive on it and he wasn't going to let his first full factory ride go to by the wayside.

Instead he chose to over ride it and either be competitive or crash/die trying to make it in the big time.

Don't worry --- I'm not knocking Casey --- he is the shitz. But, he does get arm pump. But, he gets cudos for leaving Ducati.

There is a slight possibility that Rossi was thinking to big with his career ending move to Ducati, but, Gods tend to think big, I guess.

[aussie]

I know you aren't knocking Stoner. I don't care if you do. His results speak for themselves when you think about what he had to ride and the way he roade to be competitive.

As for thinking big, to **** up in such a monumental way is very much human!


Here is some more light reading, just for you!

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2...blue_sea_.html

[CrazyJoe]

Originally Posted by aussie

I know you aren't knocking Stoner. I don't care if you do. His results speak for themselves when you think about what he had to ride and the way he roade to be competitive.

As for thinking big, to **** up in such a monumental way is very much human!


Here is some more light reading, just for you!

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2...blue_sea_.html

You should also consider the fact that Rossi's results speak for themselves also. Casey is on his way up but Rossi is a proven winner and, IMHO, can ride wherever he wants. Besides, any race, no matter where Valentino finishes, he gets the most press. Kinda like Tiger. Yeah --- he is the Tiger of bike racing.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

You should also consider the fact that Rossi's results speak for themselves also. Casey is on his way up but Rossi is a proven winner and, IMHO, can ride wherever he wants. Besides, any race, no matter where Valentino finishes, he gets the most press. Kinda like Tiger. Yeah --- he is the Tiger of bike racing.

The difference is in what they used to achieve there success up until last year. Rossi has always been on the best machinery, not neccesarily due to his skill as a bike developer or a great rider. He has been fortunate to be in the right pace at the right time as well. Kudos to him. Success breeds success and he deserved to be on the most competitive factory mounts.

Casey had success and was very competitive riding a career ending, brain screwing ( ask Melandri) pig that no one else can ride, including Rossi!

Thinking about Rossi's recent success ( 08/09) you have to ask, would he have been such a success if Casey wasn't bringing a knife to a gunfight ( as per the quote in the last link).

The battle at Laguna in the corkscrew was a real turning point. I wonder, would it have even happend if Casey had a decent bike under him. He probably would have been 4-5 seconds further up the road on a factory Yamaha or a Honda! I wonder if Rossi has thought about this while riding around mid field on the Ducati! Lorenzo was able to beat him on equal machinery in 2010. Would Stoner have done the same in 08/09 on a different mount?

[CrazyJoe]

Originally Posted by aussie

The difference is in what they used to achieve there success up until last year. Rossi has always been on the best machinery, not neccesarily due to his skill as a bike developer or a great rider. He has been fortunate to be in the right pace at the right time as well. Kudos to him. Success breeds success and he deserved to be on the most competitive factory mounts.

Casey had success and was very competitive riding a career ending, brain screwing ( ask Melandri) pig that no one else can ride, including Rossi!

Thinking about Rossi's recent success ( 08/09) you have to ask, would he have been such a success if Casey wasn't bringing a knife to a gunfight ( as per the quote in the last link).

The battle at Laguna in the corkscrew was a real turning point. I wonder, would it have even happend if Casey had a decent bike under him. He probably would have been 4-5 seconds further up the road on a factory Yamaha or a Honda! I wonder if Rossi has thought about this while riding around mid field on the Ducati! Lorenzo was able to beat him on equal machinery in 2010. Would Stoner have done the same in 08/09 on a different mount?

No one but you and folks making money writing crap think about all these "what ifs". I believe Rossi's success is all about Rossi. You can believe whatever you want. I think Stoner is also a very gifted rider. Only time will tell if he can measure up to Rossi. He may become, like, a secondary God.