I got FLASHED Monday morning. - Page 25

whittlebeast · 03-21-2012, 09:07 AM

Send Ed this link and see what he thinks.

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/sho...&postcount=470

Super Googan · 03-21-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsxjt

Oddly enough I got a response from Ed yesterday. He said that ECunleashed had done some older R1 EXUP codes, but they still having gotten the code for my 08FZ1. Did some in town riding last night and experienced a few low end bogs in second. Ed had said that my throttle bodies may need to be synced. I mentioned that it ran good before. He said that the bike is way more sensitive with the ECUnleashed flash in place. I am now looking at getting a baseline from a local tuner. That is a $100.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Many people don't admit problems with a product after they spent money on it.

SoCalFZRider · 03-21-2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whittlebeast

Here is the ECUnleashed trace on the left compared to one of my tunes on the right. I will try to post a better comparison later as I get better data. Notice how the AFR on the ECUnleashed changes as the RPM changes. I wonder if they do this on purpose? This bike has the flies in place and stock airbox. It does have a full Yosh exhaust.

Beast - thanks for the plot. The test bike is identical to mine for tuning purposes. The red dots at low MAP likely confirm what I feel in the bars, more buzz at low throttle than before the flash. Somewhat difficult to judge since I switched to Renthal bars at the same time.

Time to play with the PC3 tune. I'll add some fuel somewhere in the range of 2-10% throttle x 3-7k rpm. Not sure about the 20% column.

One of these days I'll invest in autotune/data logging capability.

kingsxjt - I'll be on the lookout for a low end bog. How low of RPMs were you?

kingsxjt · 03-21-2012, 08:42 PM

About 5K on about a 75 degree night. 5K in second, then just wack the throttle. Bike rips above there. I know its not right, but should be better for $450 + shipping.

kingsxjt · 03-21-2012, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Googan

Thanks for the honest feedback. Many people don't admit problems with a product after they spent money on it.

I am all in on this bike. I love the comfort of the bike. Honestly I should have bought an R1, but can't give up the comfort.

SoCalFZRider · 03-21-2012, 09:01 PM

One question for which I was unable to get an answer, how specific are the tunes to individual mods? Don't know if there are any differences for a slip-on, full system, air box chop, etc.

I'll check out the 5k 2nd gear throttle stab next time I'm on the seat.

eurban · 03-22-2012, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsxjt

About 5K on about a 75 degree night. 5K in second, then just wack the throttle. Bike rips above there. I know its not right, but should be better for $450 + shipping.

Has your fuel line been checked for kinking / replaced?

kingsxjt · 03-22-2012, 07:36 AM

Yes I have done the fuel line mod. BTW, I still have some pop on decel, which I had before. Ed did say that ECUnleashed asked how my AIS was blocked. I told them it is plugged off. Don't see how this would matter unless there is a leak.

whittlebeast · 03-22-2012, 07:46 AM

Once the AFRs are under control on these bike, it is difficult to get all of the exhaust pop out of them. I have for the most part decided to accept it as just a quirk in the AE/DE settings in the stock ECU. If I find a work around, I will be happy to post the solution later.

I am suspect the people that do not have exhaust popping are running too fat and killing the pop as a side effect.

Beast

kingsxjt · 03-22-2012, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whittlebeast

I am suspect the people that do not have exhaust popping are running too fat and killing the pop as a side effect. Beast

I thought the popping was unburned fuel? Running too rich would be adding more ...uh um...fuel to the fire :/

whittlebeast · 03-22-2012, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsxjt

I thought the popping was unburned fuel? Running too rich would be adding more ...uh um...fuel to the fire :/

Sort of...

With a megasquirt system I have the ability to raise and lower fueling on the fly even on the road. IF you get on a big down hill downshift, you can roll the fuel up and get popping and slide thru stoich and it goes away and then slide to lean and popping returns.

To add insult to injury, watch this video. It all gets quite sobering when you start dealing with the dynamics of this stuff. We simply do not have the tools to dial this stuff in at this point in the Yamaha world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItkpVofKLw

To get a backfire it requires 3 things, an ignition source, oxygen and fuel all in the exhaust at one time. Pick your method to get there. Missfire caused by fat or lean, rich with an air leak...

Beast

MAVRIK · 03-22-2012, 12:13 PM

well my ecu is on its way to ed at af1, will have it back in a few days and i will give you guys the ride report.

kingsxjt....couple of questions...do you have a slip on? does it have a db killer? is the db killer out? sync the throttle bodies? modified the air box? i ask because the standard settings are for slip on, stock air box and flies. If the box or slip on has less back pressure or both are opened up more things will definitely be off. also do you have the bog all the time or did it only happen that one night? would be interesting to see how your bike is diff than others such as hellgate who is in texas where i'm sure it is warm too.

Rockhound · 03-22-2012, 02:22 PM

so can we make post with a list of:

1.) Company
2.) Cost
3.) Number of guys here that went with each company and your mods.

So ECU Unleashed, Dynotronics, AF1(?)

Like a guy with a stock bike should PM so and so since he has a similar set-up and went with X company.
Or I should contact so and so who has...airbox mod, no flies, K&N filter, pc3, block offs, ect...

bplaxton · 03-22-2012, 09:07 PM

I emailed flash-tune and they responded saying they're still waiting for a 'local prototype bike'. You'd think somebody in the LA area would get on this.

kingsxjt · 03-22-2012, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAVRIK

kingsxjt....couple of questions...do you have a slip on? does it have a db killer? is the db killer out? sync the throttle bodies? modified the air box? i ask because the standard settings are for slip on, stock air box and flies. If the box or slip on has less back pressure or both are opened up more things will definitely be off. also do you have the bog all the time or did it only happen that one night? would be interesting to see how your bike is diff than others such as hellgate who is in texas where i'm sure it is warm too.

Yes I have a 2Bros with a P1X tip as my sig states. Air box is stock with BMC drop in. Cat removed from the header (I asked ED for the OK on removing the cat before I did it.) I first noticed it bog when warmed up in neutral. Come up to 4K or so, let off and then give it a quick blip. Pop through the intake. It won't do it every time, but it does it. Ed said that "each gear has a its own map" and that "you don't ride the bike in neutral." Granted. He said, "just ride the bike." Open twisties running 40 to 120MPH. Incredible! Smooooooth! I contacted him again about the EXUP situation and my concern regarding the Neutral Pop. He suggested I sync the throttle bodies. I said OK, but was concerned something else wasn't right if the bike ran OK before. He said that the bike now is way more sensitive, and that if the throttle bodies are out, it could show up now. I at that point agreed, but was disconcerted and voiced it to him. Ed then said "send it back and I will put the old code in it and refund your money." The pop in second only happened twice, but something is not right. Once is too many times. Ed has said that I need to sync my throttle bodies. I am in the process of getting a gauge set now. He has not replied to my email regarding the pop in second issue. I have been too busy to call him, but plan on it tomorrow.

whittlebeast · 03-23-2012, 03:58 AM

Kingsxjt

You are in for a long hard learning curve in your future. A sudden pop from the intake or a sudden loss in power is almost always lean. High strung motors do tend to get finicky. You are riding a 1000cc motor pulling 145 hp and that is a hung strung motor....

One of the primary functions of the secondary throttles is to tame this motor.

Did you show Ed that link I posted above? Personally, I have no idea how you are going to fix this without the PC5/LCD-200/Wideband setup.

Beast

MAVRIK · 03-23-2012, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsxjt

Yes I have a 2Bros with a P1X tip as my sig states. Air box is stock with BMC drop in. Cat removed from the header (I asked ED for the OK on removing the cat before I did it.) I first noticed it bog when warmed up in neutral. Come up to 4K or so, let off and then give it a quick blip. Pop through the intake. It won't do it every time, but it does it. Ed said that "each gear has a its own map" and that "you don't ride the bike in neutral." Granted. He said, "just ride the bike." Open twisties running 40 to 120MPH. Incredible! Smooooooth! I contacted him again about the EXUP situation and my concern regarding the Neutral Pop. He suggested I sync the throttle bodies. I said OK, but was concerned something else wasn't right if the bike ran OK before. He said that the bike now is way more sensitive, and that if the throttle bodies are out, it could show up now. I at that point agreed, but was disconcerted and voiced it to him. Ed then said "send it back and I will put the old code in it and refund your money." The pop in second only happened twice, but something is not right. Once is too many times. Ed has said that I need to sync my throttle bodies. I am in the process of getting a gauge set now. He has not replied to my email regarding the pop in second issue. I have been too busy to call him, but plan on it tomorrow.

thnaks for the update and follow up to my question...hopefully just some bad gas or something :}

CrazyBiker · 03-23-2012, 01:11 PM

Hmm, complicating things more than they already are. Frankly, there are only 0.0001% of owners who want to go WB's way of tuning and mapping things and it gets pricey with a wide band sensor, LCD, etc etc

whittlebeast · 03-23-2012, 01:13 PM

Yep, you got to pay to play. I have owned race cars for years. That car was costing me $100 per min to drive when I retired the car... And worth it.

Beast

sparky80 · 03-23-2012, 02:51 PM

500!!

03-21-2012, 09:07 AM	#481
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	Send Ed this link and see what he thinks. http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/sho...&postcount=470 __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

03-21-2012, 08:42 PM	#484
kingsxjt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 111	About 5K on about a 75 degree night. 5K in second, then just wack the throttle. Bike rips above there. I know its not right, but should be better for $450 + shipping. __________________ Shift Red 2008 FZ1 ECUnleashed flash, PCV, Custom Map, Auto Tune, BMC air filter, Roth block off plates, Ivan's sub-throttle plates, 12 0'clock labs Exup eliminator, gutted cat and 2 Bros Slip on P1X Insert, Speedo DRD, SV650 Risers, Dual PIAA Horns, Beltronics Radar, Copperdawg Speedscreen

03-21-2012, 09:01 PM	#486
SoCalFZRider __________________ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: So Cal High Desert Posts: 1,188	One question for which I was unable to get an answer, how specific are the tunes to individual mods? Don't know if there are any differences for a slip-on, full system, air box chop, etc. I'll check out the 5k 2nd gear throttle stab next time I'm on the seat. Last edited by SoCalFZRider; 03-21-2012 at 09:22 PM. Reason: ...

03-22-2012, 07:36 AM	#488
kingsxjt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 111	Yes I have done the fuel line mod. BTW, I still have some pop on decel, which I had before. Ed did say that ECUnleashed asked how my AIS was blocked. I told them it is plugged off. Don't see how this would matter unless there is a leak. __________________ Shift Red 2008 FZ1 ECUnleashed flash, PCV, Custom Map, Auto Tune, BMC air filter, Roth block off plates, Ivan's sub-throttle plates, 12 0'clock labs Exup eliminator, gutted cat and 2 Bros Slip on P1X Insert, Speedo DRD, SV650 Risers, Dual PIAA Horns, Beltronics Radar, Copperdawg Speedscreen

03-22-2012, 07:46 AM	#489
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	Once the AFRs are under control on these bike, it is difficult to get all of the exhaust pop out of them. I have for the most part decided to accept it as just a quirk in the AE/DE settings in the stock ECU. If I find a work around, I will be happy to post the solution later. I am suspect the people that do not have exhaust popping are running too fat and killing the pop as a side effect. Beast __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

03-22-2012, 12:13 PM	#492
MAVRIK Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,666	well my ecu is on its way to ed at af1, will have it back in a few days and i will give you guys the ride report. kingsxjt....couple of questions...do you have a slip on? does it have a db killer? is the db killer out? sync the throttle bodies? modified the air box? i ask because the standard settings are for slip on, stock air box and flies. If the box or slip on has less back pressure or both are opened up more things will definitely be off. also do you have the bog all the time or did it only happen that one night? would be interesting to see how your bike is diff than others such as hellgate who is in texas where i'm sure it is warm too. __________________ 2006 fz1 Shift Red - PCIII, yoshi carbon slip-on, tank protector, FCE, air box mod, swatted flys, tinted screen, 16t front sprocket, EXUP eliminated, speedo drd, adjustable levers, sequential tail light, rizomas fronts...radar detector and heated gear control on Sold - 2001 Blue FZ1, 2001 black FZ1 and 2007 cobalt blue FZ1, CBR929, ZX10R, CBRF2, ZX9R, CBR900RR, 2003 Aprilia Falco

03-22-2012, 02:22 PM	#493
Rockhound 7 kinds of Smoke Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,653	so can we make post with a list of: 1.) Company 2.) Cost 3.) Number of guys here that went with each company and your mods. So ECU Unleashed, Dynotronics, AF1(?) Like a guy with a stock bike should PM so and so since he has a similar set-up and went with X company. Or I should contact so and so who has...airbox mod, no flies, K&N filter, pc3, block offs, ect...

03-22-2012, 09:07 PM	#494
bplaxton Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	I emailed flash-tune and they responded saying they're still waiting for a 'local prototype bike'. You'd think somebody in the LA area would get on this. __________________ 2006 shift red, TBR slip-on, cat gutted, modded flies, lars airbox, Ivan's FCE, DJ PCIII, AIS block, Blind Spot's fuel line, EXUP eliminator, ventura tail rack, HID conversion, throttlemeister bar ends, yamaha gel seat

03-23-2012, 03:58 AM	#496
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	Kingsxjt You are in for a long hard learning curve in your future. A sudden pop from the intake or a sudden loss in power is almost always lean. High strung motors do tend to get finicky. You are riding a 1000cc motor pulling 145 hp and that is a hung strung motor.... One of the primary functions of the secondary throttles is to tame this motor. Did you show Ed that link I posted above? Personally, I have no idea how you are going to fix this without the PC5/LCD-200/Wideband setup. Beast __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

03-23-2012, 01:11 PM	#498
CrazyBiker Torque Maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 4,778	Hmm, complicating things more than they already are. Frankly, there are only 0.0001% of owners who want to go WB's way of tuning and mapping things and it gets pricey with a wide band sensor, LCD, etc etc __________________ 2007 Raven FZ1-R Penske 8983 Shock\|08 R1 Forks,MC\|HyperPro Damper HEL SS Lines\|3-way Adj Levers\|Easton Low Bars\|Giles Rearsets Micron Full System\|Lars AB\|BMC Filter\|Roth Stacks,AIE\|CD Flies\|FCE\|PC5\|SHv4 CF Cowl,Fender,PB Hugger T-Rex Frame,Axle Sliders\|Targa FE Spencer Seat\|Puig DB\|Gripsters Heated Grips\|HIDs\|Protons Givi V35s\|Shad 25 2006 Daytona 675-R Ohlins TTX shock\|GPR V4 Damper\|Attack Rearsets\|Pazzos\|2Bro Slip-on\|Saddlemen\|Seat Cowl\|HIDs

03-23-2012, 01:13 PM	#499
whittlebeast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,506	Yep, you got to pay to play. I have owned race cars for years. That car was costing me $100 per min to drive when I retired the car... And worth it. Beast __________________ Max acceleration is always with the front tire slightly in the air. When the racers get done doing the impossible, the engineers get a chance to rebuild the model. Holeshot Highmount quiet, No-Mar Fender Eliminator, SW-MOTECH Bar risers and Crashbars with Saten666 highway pegs, HEL Stainless brake lines, PC5 with full time widebands and data logging running a MAP based custom map tuned with MegaLogViewer HD, T-Rex Frame sliders, 16 - 45 gears, Throttlemeister.

03-23-2012, 02:51 PM	#500
sparky80 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 651	500!! __________________ 2007 Cobalt Blue Yamaha FZ1 That at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil. 2:10-11 I don't like texas... missing California!

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