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Old 06-15-2019, 06:03 PM   #21
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Water still flows downhill, I think. Therefore, a limpet mine that is meant to sink a vessel would be placed subsurface. My opinion.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:09 PM   #22
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Water still flows downhill, I think. Therefore, a limpet mine that is meant to sink a vessel would be placed subsurface. My opinion.
Water isn’t compressible like air is, so I’d think underwater would be ideal too. Would transfer more energy through water than air.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:12 PM   #23
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This got me thinking.. why did a mine (purpose-built anti-boat weapon) do "minor damage" but the attack on the USS Cole almost sank the ship .

Off to do some reading but I never really considered that.
The boat they used to attack it was loaded with hundreds of pounds of explosives.

Massive explosion.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:28 PM   #24
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Please stay on topic. Should be simple enough.
I agree.

(Now, what was it we were talking about?)
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:29 PM   #25
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Water isn’t compressible like air is, so I’d think underwater would be ideal too. Would transfer more energy through water than air.
hmmm. Or would water absorb more energy?
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:32 PM   #26
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Ja.. 400-700 lbs of C4, estimated.

This story about mines had me thinking of car-sized contact mines from WW2 or similar. Apparently those (and these latest) would be dwarfed by the Cole attack.
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Interesting article about false flag exercises via the Navy https://theduffel.co/2XIPQqd
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:30 AM   #28
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hmmm. Or would water absorb more energy?
Water is barely compressible. Would the energy go towards the weak side (the boat)?
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Interesting article about false flag exercises via the Navy https://theduffel.co/2XIPQqd
It’s a parody site.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:23 AM   #30
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It’s a parody site.
Like The Onion for military stuff.

“I can’t think of a single occasion since Vietnam where military personnel have faked a terrorist attack. It’s great the Navy’s getting back into it.”

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Old 06-16-2019, 08:23 AM   #31
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..we've spent over 2.5 trillion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001 and are currently spending 4 billion a month just in Afghanistan...Anyone remember what Bin Laden's goal was?
Geez, those #'s are staggering. Four Billion/month - really? Blows my mind. You make excellent points - infrastructure, Bin Laden et al.

FWIW...Yesterday on the news, it was reported that explosives were placed ON the ship. The same report also named an Iranian backed splinter group as the perpetrators by multinational intel agencies.
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Water is barely compressible. Would the energy go towards the weak side (the boat)?
The WW2 raid known as the Dambusters where the RAF's 617 Squadron attacked the Möhne, Eder, and Sorpe dams in Nazi Germany with Barnes Wallis's bouncing bomb is a prime example of how being under water will focus energy away from the water.
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:33 AM   #34
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If the US has the video shown..... it would have logically followed the ship back to it's port either with a drone or with a satellite. If we don't see that video or satelite track then I will have my questions about this incident'

Is the US deliberately allowing commentators to get it wrong so that they can pull the plug out from under them and show their true Flags?

If we don't see where the fast boat docked after removing the mine then I have my suspicions

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Old 06-16-2019, 09:36 AM   #35
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:46 AM   #36
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Last warning. Leave politics out of this. How fvking more clear can I be?
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:29 PM   #37
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..How fvking more clear can I be?
Well, your syntax could use a little work, & then there's the matter of punctuation...
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:46 PM   #38
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The Japanese made a fundamental design mistake with their warships in WWII by placing the heaviest hull armor at the waterline and up. Best way to cause damage by shelling or bombing was to have the ordinance land in the water next to the ships side.
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"By 1964, there were 23,000 U.S. troops in Vietnam, but this escalated further following the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which a U.S. destroyer was alleged to have clashed with North Vietnamese fast attack craft. In response, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution gave President Lyndon B. Johnson broad authorization to increase U.S. military presence, deploying ground combat units for the first time and increasing troop levels to 184,000."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

https://www.history.com/news/the-gul...t-50-years-ago

history does have a way of repeating itself..
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:18 AM   #40
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I heard they saw Iranian flagged boats picking up unexploded mines to avoid being detected and further sanctions.

Sounds good enough to me. I like to keep it simple. (It certainly wasn't the white nationalists from Charlottesville, we know that. GO HOOS! )
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Further read about this incident indicated that there were magnets left over on the side of the tanker because the mine was not designed to be removed.

But all this is 2nd hand at best so who knows what actually happened.

One point is that the Iranian regime is not a block. They have their hard liners and their moderates too. It could be a rogue operation intended to force the hand of the moderates into an escalation.
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