Would you fly on the 737 Max??

[Wonger]

Originally Posted by quazz

Plastic bags I would agree with.

Here's a noble thought. If you don't want plastic bags, don't take them. Bring your own bags or go without. Free will without some nanny telling you what you can and cant' have.

[organ donor]

Originally Posted by Wonger

Here's a noble thought. If you don't want plastic bags, don't take them. Bring your own bags or go without. Free will without some nanny telling you what you can and cant' have.

The problem is "your" bags, even if "I" don't choose to use them and "you" do, it still ruins "our" planet. I understand the need for plastics in multi-use consumer products like vehicles, refrigerators, t.v.'s, computers, etc. etc., but I think there should be something put in place that requires those items be removed and reused or recycled before going into the trash heap.

I think we should all agree, given the life span of plastic that maybe we should find an alternative for disposable items like straws, grocery bags, soda bottles, etc. etc. or not, I don't have any kids and never will so screw it. We'll just let "your" kids deal with it.

Although maybe it won't be long before another mass extinction event resets the clock. Certainly seems we are headed in that direction and anyone who knows the history of this spinning rock hurtling through space knows it's just a matter of time. I'm going to go get my "the end is near" sandwich board and bell and head to my street corner.

[Buccleuch]

Originally Posted by okaugust

Airplanes don't grown on trees.

Cars come from automobile plants.



W.A.

[organ donor]

Originally Posted by Buccleuch

Cars come from automobile plants.



W.A.

Winner

[fermic37]

Originally Posted by LiquidSilver

I heard this is the most radical departure from earlier 737's and at one time Boeing would have given it a different model number.
But by keeping the model as a 737, it's easier to have pilots qualify to fly an updated model than a new model.
Does anybody know if this is true?

Yes. It takes a lot more time and money to certify a whole new airframe. So the companies will go to the faa and ask about how many things they can change and still be classified under the old airframe model. Fairly common.

[Tom Renda]

Originally Posted by organ donor

I think we should all agree, given the life span of plastic that maybe we should find an alternative for disposable items like straws, grocery bags, soda bottles, etc. etc. or not, I don't have any kids and never will so screw it. We'll just let "your" kids deal with it.

Don't worry. I bought my grandkids a couple of spots at Yale. So they will save the planet.

(You're welcome.)

[quzzel]

The President says airplanes are to complicated to fly and that we need to go back to when they were powered by rubber bands!

[fermic37]

Certain senators said they are causing global warming. Hopefully these slackers figure out teleportation. Quick. I heard this guy has a head start

[quazz]

These are relatively uncomplicated.

[Tom Renda]

My kind of airplane!

[Desmo]

I recall a stat from years ago about aviation in WWI. Something like nearly 1/2 of the pilots killed died in crashes during training.

Was it the planes were unforgiving? Or mechanical issues? Crappy training?

Curious.

[WDD]

Originally Posted by LiquidSilver

I heard this is the most radical departure from earlier 737's and at one time Boeing would have given it a different model number.
But by keeping the model as a 737, it's easier to have pilots qualify to fly an updated model than a new model.
Does anybody know if this is true?

Yeah, I heard that as well. It was very close to being a different model (738?), requiring a new set of qualifications/training vs minor transition training between a new variant of the same model (a 737 pilot should be able to quickly and with minor training fly the 737 MAX).

Sounds like it is 1) software designed to deal with a stall that needs updating, and 2) more pilot training to fly this airplane that is really a lot different than your typical different version.

[bradd]

Originally Posted by Desmo

I recall a stat from years ago about aviation in WWI. Something like nearly 1/2 of the pilots killed died in crashes during training.

Was it the planes were unforgiving? Or mechanical issues? Crappy training?

Curious.

I'm sure 5:1 compression, gasoline that sometimes had a lower octane than whiskey and poor oiling led to a lot of mechanical issues. There was a reason some of the motorcycles then still had peddles.

[WDD]

Originally Posted by Desmo

I recall a stat from years ago about aviation in WWI. Something like nearly 1/2 of the pilots killed died in crashes during training.

Was it the planes were unforgiving? Or mechanical issues? Crappy training?

Curious.

Yes, yes, and yes. And then they got to the front, where they had a life expectancy of 2 - yes, 2 - weeks.

[WileECoyote]

Originally Posted by Desmo

I recall a stat from years ago about aviation in WWI. Something like nearly 1/2 of the pilots killed died in crashes during training.

Was it the planes were unforgiving? Or mechanical issues? Crappy training?

Curious.

From what I've read on WW1, pilot aptitude was one issue, you had anyone and everybody trying to become a fighter ace. In essence, they'd take anyone who signed up as well because of the shortage of pilots.
Another was mechanical issues such as cables for ailerons were unreliable. Wire industry had not caught up with aviation and resources for raw materials were an issue. I'll see if I can find the books I have to reference them later tonight.

[Tom Renda]

Speed of plane was apparently very fast from the moment of take off - from NYT:

Boeing 737 Max Hit Trouble Right Away, Pilot’s Tense Radio Messages Show

ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia — The captain of a doomed Ethiopian Airlines jetliner faced an emergency almost immediately after takeoff from Addis Ababa, requesting permission in a panicky voice to return after three minutes as the aircraft accelerated to abnormal speed, a person who reviewed air traffic communications said Thursday.

“Break break, request back to home,” the captain told air traffic controllers as they scrambled to divert two other flights approaching the airport. “Request vector for landing.”

Controllers also observed that the aircraft, a new Boeing 737 Max 8, was oscillating up and down by hundreds of feet — a sign that something was extraordinarily wrong.

All contact between air controllers and the aircraft, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 to Nairobi, was lost five minutes after it took off on Sunday, the person said.

The new disclosures about the last moments of Flight 302 came as pilots were discussing what they described as the dangerously high speed of the aircraft after it took off from Addis Ababa’s Bole International Airport.

Pilots were abuzz over publicly available radar data that showed the aircraft had accelerated far beyond what is considered standard practice, for reasons that remain unclear.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/w...gtype=Homepage

[isleoman]

Originally Posted by fermic37

It’s almost like Boeing has live tracking on all of its aircraft and can see where they are, how fast they are going, throttle postition, altitude, and a few other things to have an idea of what happened before they read the black box.

Oh wait did I say that on the Internet?. Here come the black suits.

The news story I listened to said they had satellite tracking data on this plane and the previous crashed plane and they both behaved in a similar manner.

Iridium is more than spark plugs

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iridium...to-go-missing/

[jredford]

It’s the Russians.

[LiquidSilver]

Originally Posted by Desmo

I recall a stat from years ago about aviation in WWI. Something like nearly 1/2 of the pilots killed died in crashes during training.

Was it the planes were unforgiving? Or mechanical issues? Crappy training?

Curious.

Probably all of the above. Every car that broke down on the side of the road back then that didn't have a flat tire, represented an airplane crash. Controls mechanical failures would add even more crashes.

Also the role of Airplanes changed drastically during the war. They started out as inteligence reconnaissance and from there battled enemy recon planes, then bombing sortees.

[longeze]

Speaking of plastics, to their credit, BMW was way ahead of the recycling curve on that one.