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Old 01-13-2018, 06:59 AM   #21
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She is going to put around on this next weekend. If she really likes it we can get it for 4K.



Beta 2017 125 RR-S $4800
https://scranton.craigslist.org/mcy/...431110347.html
Clearly the "girls get dirty too" sticker seals the deal for her!
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:06 AM   #22
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She is going to put around on this next weekend. If she really likes it we can get it for 4K.



Beta 2017 125 RR-S $4800
https://scranton.craigslist.org/mcy/...431110347.html
Looks nice! Hopefully you never have battery or starter trouble. No kicker would make it a deal breaker for me.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:10 AM   #23
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Here is some advice from a girl. Who also used to teach MSF classes.

Buying a bike for someone else is hard because you really don't understand what it feels like to be her. A lot of men think they know what is best for their gals, but once the gals take the class they realize they want or need something completely different. I know we aren't talking apples to apples with street bikes, where you are hoping to get her a 1200 Sportster and she needs a 250 Ninja, but the idea is the same.

Suggest: get her in a beginner motorcycle class. I know it's for street, but it takes the contention and personality of you teaching her how to ride. She learns a lot, some of which is helpful as a passenger too, and in a pinch could ride in the street. She gets to try out bikes in class, and if they have some dirt/dual models she can ask to ride one for class. As an instructor, I always asked "what do you ride or want to ride" and tried to match up the student with a bike that would interest them.

MSF offers a class for dirt. Is it available in your area? Is there a local instructor who will do something similar to follow that up?

Take her out to a lot of dealers then, even if you don't intend to buy from a dealer, and let her test ride a lot of bikes. A good dealer will let you test ride, especially used models they want to get off the floor. A good dealer will also know to start her on a smaller, lower cc bike, because once she gets used to it, she'll be back for an upgrade. Avoid a dealer that pressure sells new or high cc bikes to her telling her she'll get used to it fast, get tired of a small bike.

I 2nd (or 3rd) the TW200. The fat rear tire is super confidence inspiring. We had them for class bikes and it was the bike I always, always used to demo on, because it practically stood itself up. I always also put the most novice, scared riders on it, because it was easy to start, fun to ride, and they would see me doing the demos on it and know the bike could do it. A lot of people will blame the bike if they can't perform the exercise.

Then wait for her. She wants to go along with you and your friends, but she's not going to be ready to do what you do, so make sure you take her out just the two of you to some lower skill areas to get her confidence up, where she isn't trying to keep up from the start. Or a place the two newer riders can take their own, easier trails, and the experienced riders can go off and meet up later.

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Old 01-13-2018, 07:16 AM   #24
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That really helps. She will be taking a safety course since she will need her mc license. The owner of that 125 started out on a ttr then moved to that then to the 250rr. She is starting to be able to keep up with us. She outroad the ttr within a month, which is why I don’t want to go that route. But she wants to ride more with my gf at a slower pace, So we would be able to split off in two groups when riding.

Also there are lots and lots of state game land roads we can ride on near my house, for her to really learn on at first, but you need a plated bike to ride them. I could buy her a normal bike but to get to the good trails you can ride it, it’s a hour drive.

And sadly kick starters are a thing of the past on newer bikes. Very few are coming with a kick and button.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:52 AM   #25
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If you are looking at that cool little Beta, you could go all the damn way, and being a KTM guy, you already know the answer. You can probably plate a Freeride in PA.

So, do ya love her? Well do ya?
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:35 PM   #27
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She is going to put around on this next weekend. If she really likes it we can get it for 4K.
Beta 2017 125 RR-S $4800
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Electric start, she'll love it as long as she can get her feet on the ground!!
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:17 PM   #28
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If she's riding a Beta, does that mean you're an alpha? Lame
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:39 PM   #29
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My 5'4" wife started on a Yamaha TTR125L and moved in to a GasGas Pampera 280. Heavy 4 strokes are just that, heavy. IMHO, Start small and let the confidence build. BTW, I put lights on the TTR and plated it.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:51 AM   #30
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And sadly kick starters are a thing of the past on newer bikes. Very few are coming with a kick and button.
Yup. The new 2018 WR250F has no kicker. Doesn't bother me.

Heck my 1000cc Yamaha 4 stroke snowmobiles dont have a backup starter.
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Old 01-14-2018, 08:57 AM   #31
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My 7 year old Husaberg FE450 has no kick starter. It has a robust well designed E-start (unlike my '13 300 and it's joke of an e-start system) and it has never been a problem. The new KTM two strokes look like they use the same starter design as my 450, I would be fine if they dropped the kicker on those. It is surprising how heavy the kick start and it's associated gears and stuff is.

Non front line competition 4 strokes are inevitably heavy things. Two strokes are light, simple and in this format, make smooth and stout off idle power, perfect for a beginner. You know that Freeride would be perfect, as would a Beta Cross Trainer. I have ridden the Cross Trainer, they are low, light and have smooth pussycat power output down low that does not have KTM 300 top end rip, but also no slow on top.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:41 AM   #32
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My 7 year old Husaberg FE450 has no kick starter. It has a robust well designed E-start (unlike my '13 300 and it's joke of an e-start system) and it has never been a problem. The new KTM two strokes look like they use the same starter design as my 450, I would be fine if they dropped the kicker on those. It is surprising how heavy the kick start and it's associated gears and stuff is.
I’ve just always known e start on dirt bikes to be a restarter. Cold start should always be done by kick. Old habits die hard.

Not sure how red, green, yellow, and orange riders do it, but a common mod on the wr is to remove the battery and starter motor because the bike kicks so easy. Even on a cold start, ignition on, hold the kill button and give it about 4 prime kicks, find tdc and you can just barely breathe on the kicker and it fires right up. Though that estart can be a life saver on the near vertical trails around here.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:44 AM   #33
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Where can I buy a girlfriend though? Please help.
Renting would most likely get you more bang for the buck, lol....
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I spent all yesterday on a beta 300rr in the snow. I have to say that little starter button is nice. You never use the kicker. Even on cold starts.
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dquote=Duken4evr;2741022]If you are looking at that cool little Beta, you could go all the damn way, and being a KTM guy, you already know the answer. You can probably plate a Freeride in PA.

So, do ya love her? Well do ya?


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Although I'm a 2 stroke guy, I always recommend that women start on a small 4 stroke because they are much more forgiving. Actually I also recommend that guys learn on a 4 stroke for the same reason. Either a TW200 or a TTR or a used XR200. My ex-wife started on a 2 stroke 125 KTM and it was too high strung for her. The TW200 was MUCH better for her. After the TW we bought her a 200 MXC 2 stroke and she still wasn't ready for the 2 stroke hit. It scared the shit out of her.
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Renting would most likely get you more bang for the buck, lol....
how did I miss that?

Renting may be cheaper......depends on make, model, mileage and condition. As for the bang for a buck............well, use your own imagination on that one.

Did you see Wolfmans post? He needs to off a brand new TW.
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Although I'm a 2 stroke guy, I always recommend that women start on a small 4 stroke because they are much more forgiving. Actually I also recommend that guys learn on a 4 stroke for the same reason. Either a TW200 or a TTR or a used XR200. My ex-wife started on a 2 stroke 125 KTM and it was too high strung for her. The TW200 was MUCH better for her. After the TW we bought her a 200 MXC 2 stroke and she still wasn't ready for the 2 stroke hit. It scared the shit out of her.[/quote]

The Freeride is basically an enduroized trials bike - the engine does not even have a powervalve. The Freeride is very tame, probably grunts smoother and better than the 4 strokes off idle, and it weighs a lot less than any of them, an important consideration for any rider.

Another similar bike is the GasGas Pampera 280. Here is one of those, doing it's mellow grunty thing in some nasty rocks. The Pampera is basically another trials bike with a seat. They really are pretty great. I imagine this kind of two stroke, with their small ports and mellow tunes, should last a very long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C8uNjZKeRw

The only fly in this sweet moto pie is money. A Freeride will cost a decent amount of it Pamperas are pretty cheap though.
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I did see that post. But it’s not something they would like. We tested one of them, a dr200, klx250l, and the CRF250L. For what you get with the beta it’s really hard to beat the price, real brakes, suspension, normal size wheels and tires, plus a very rev happy and torquie little engine. We really didn’t want to spend that much money. But the old beat up tagged bikes weren’t too much less, and I know this bike was never abused and it still has a warranty.

Since I posted this she has ridden it twice. Once we went and visited, and I sat on the back as she went around and around the block. Last weekend we went down again, but this time we all took the bikes out to the woods. And she felt confident to go by herself. She fell a few times, but by the end of the day she was doing little hill climbs, muddy pits, and up to fourth gear on more open haul roads. She never got discouraged when she fell or stalled. I was really proud of her.

They are holding the bike until she gets her funds together over the next few weeks and she is going to take her MC license test. But she is all for it and excited to start riding. She asked me on the way home “what do you thing about when you’re riding?” I said nothing. She said, “that’s what I was doing it was amazing!”
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Cool! The Beta is a sexy looking little beast and not something one sees every day.

Emotion counts a lot in motorcycling, that is a bike she can look at in the garage and get excited over, and yet it will also serve the purpose. Well done
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