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Old 05-09-2014, 05:35 PM   #61
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How about those corporate subsidies? Add up all the subsidies and it comes to $2,436 per household. This from the Federalist, which is not exactly a left wing publication

Anyone who has a truly conservative point of view should be against corporate subsidies. Subsidies subvert the free market. Subverting the free market is bad.

http://thefederalist.com/2013/09/30/...orate-welfare/

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The fact that Common Dreams got a few things wrong shouldn’t overshadow the fundamental truth that corporate welfare is most definitely a real and important problem for the American families who are forced to provide it. Subsidies are also an increasingly bipartisan issue which resonates with anti-corporatist folks on the left and limited government, free market folks on the right. As such, a campaign against corporate welfare provides an excellent political opportunity for a free market populist politician to build a new left/right coalition to challenge corporatist/statist status quo that currently infects Capitol Hill and state houses across the country. A necessary first step to any such endeavor, however, is properly distinguishing between real subsidy problems and misguided populist claptrap. Only then can some smart politician develop policies and positions that will finally rid us of our self-interested “public servants” whose exit from government is long overdue.
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Old 05-09-2014, 07:52 PM   #62
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Anyone who has a truly conservative point of view should be against corporate subsidies. Subsidies subvert the free market. Subverting the free market is bad.
Absolutely! As long as we're against subverting the free market then we have to decertify labor unions and repeal most of the workplace regulations. They negatively perturb the free market. Corporate tax rates should also be zero as they are subversive. I would keep laws against monopolies however, both in the public and private sectors. Monopolies are counter to the freedom made possible by capitalism.

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Old 05-09-2014, 09:30 PM   #64
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A truly free market supports slave labor.
Slave labor is only possible if the government actively supports it. Keeping a slave would be a Federal crime of kidnapping, unlawful detention, assault, etc. In addition there would be civil penalties against the slave owner for failing to pay a reasonable amount for the value of the labor provided. In a free market, labor, even organized labor if a ready labor pool provides added value to the employer, is free to compete for available jobs and to command a wage commensurate with demand and the value of work provided.

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Gaaah! No. I want to live in a world flush with the beauty and creativity of our finest minds. To ensure that the finest works are produced I encourage all artists to make and exhibit their works in the free marketplace driven by economic incentives.

Those masterpieces that compel art lovers to freely part with their money such that they may obtain and enjoy them will provide a means for true artists to continue in their creative endeavors. Those aspiring artists that fail to so inspire others will therefore be encouraged to find alternative means for supporting themselves until they find their true calling for self expression.

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I could go for that. But only in certain extraordinary circumstances.





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Old 05-10-2014, 04:57 PM   #67
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I have of long list of politicians and bankers I feel that way about.
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:13 PM   #68
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Came across this thought provoking article.

http://www.businessinsider.com/histo...es-2012-5?op=1

Top .5% or not, the thought of taxing anyone at 70% or more induces a gag reflex, but there does seem to be an obvious correlation between brief economic sugar highs followed by protracted busts when taxes on the top .5% are historically low as they are now. At first blush it seems improbable that high taxes on the top .5% would be good for the overall economy, but I have long thought that having too many assets in just a few hands is economically destabilizing.

Interesting that taxes were cut from 73% to 25% on the top .5% and the "roaring 20s" ensued. Speculation reigned and the economy boomed in a short and unsustainable fashion. We all know what happened next. Our current economic course has historically low top tier tax rates and lots of government intervention in the economy when the short booms inevitably crater is a recipe for reckless speculation and the propagation of a radically boom/bust economy. That is not a healthy way to do things at all.

Look at the historic top tier tax chart. The better periods of economic growth for all occurred when the top .5% paid a higher tax burden. It seems the nation does better when a leash is kept on the elite, to prevent them from completely taking over. As the author states, low taxes at the very top create "sugar highs" in the economy, followed by protracted busts.

We respect the billionaire class in the US. The one good thing Mr. Sterling of The Clippers fame has shown us that billionaires and be just as classless and ridiculous as a typical Welfare Ho.

It seems "un American" to tax any group of people at 70% or more, but the cause and effect laid out by this article, counter intuitive as it may be, also seems pretty compelling. I can hear people calling me a socialist, etc for even considering any of this. To that I respond, why ID with the billionaire class? They can take care of themselves without your support, and you are not going to join their ranks in your lifetime.

Perhaps the billionaire class need to be kept on a leash, lest their economic power and ability to distort the overall economy becomes too great.
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I've been a fan the Fair Tax Act since I read about it in Neil Boortz's book. This would give the American people more power over government and their out of control spending habits. The happier we are, the more we spend, the more the government collects, the less happier we are, the less we spend, the less the government collects.

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[quote=dipps;2518922]i don't pretend to know the answers, but i got bent over/no lube this tax season, and am sick of this crap. hard-working, honest folk seem to get screwed more than anyone in this country. (end mini-rant)

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Came across this thought provoking article.

http://www.businessinsider.com/histo...es-2012-5?op=1

Top .5% or not, the thought of taxing anyone at 70% or more induces a gag reflex, but there does seem to be an obvious correlation between brief economic sugar highs followed by protracted busts when taxes on the top .5% are historically low as they are now. At first blush it seems improbable that high taxes on the top .5% would be good for the overall economy, but I have long thought that having too many assets in just a few hands is economically destabilizing.

Interesting that taxes were cut from 73% to 25% on the top .5% and the "roaring 20s" ensued. Speculation reigned and the economy boomed in a short and unsustainable fashion. We all know what happened next. Our current economic course has historically low top tier tax rates and lots of government intervention in the economy when the short booms inevitably crater is a recipe for reckless speculation and the propagation of a radically boom/bust economy. That is not a healthy way to do things at all.

Look at the historic top tier tax chart. The better periods of economic growth for all occurred when the top .5% paid a higher tax burden. It seems the nation does better when a leash is kept on the elite, to prevent them from completely taking over. As the author states, low taxes at the very top create "sugar highs" in the economy, followed by protracted busts.

We respect the billionaire class in the US. The one good thing Mr. Sterling of The Clippers fame has shown us that billionaires and be just as classless and ridiculous as a typical Welfare Ho.

It seems "un American" to tax any group of people at 70% or more, but the cause and effect laid out by this article, counter intuitive as it may be, also seems pretty compelling. I can hear people calling me a socialist, etc for even considering any of this. To that I respond, why ID with the billionaire class? They can take care of themselves without your support, and you are not going to join their ranks in your lifetime.

Perhaps the billionaire class need to be kept on a leash, lest their economic power and ability to distort the overall economy becomes too great.

One American calling for keeping another American-or, in this case, an entire CLASS of Americans- 'on a leash' is anathema to the founding principles of this country, and (IMHO) immoral.

"For someone to get something they didn't work for, someone has to work for something they don't get."

I'm not signing up for a system that forcibly (all taxes are collected at the point of a gun, in a moral sense) redistributes the earnings of another just because I think they should have less, any more than I would sign up for a system that takes what I've earned and gives it to others. No fair-minded person would.

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