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Old 04-19-2018, 07:21 AM   #21
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In my job, which deals will global sales in the millions, though I'm on the finance end, we have to sit through training every year that covers work place harassment, but leans more heavily on bribes, anti-trust, corruption, and fraud. Yet we just got sold a fake customer $1M in networking product that ended up on the black market in Africa. I guess the sales guy wasn't paying attention to the video. Anyway, we get kick backs too, only they are called "vendor rebates" for meeting certain quotas, which I think is funny and of course legal because it's part of a program. Similarly sales gets SPIFFS for doing the same. Sell 10 routers, get $50, whatever. But what you are talking about is completely illegal. And I would not only side with writing it up and reporting it to your supervisor, and letting them decide if they need to take it to this guy's company and how, but I also suggest to them you implement a similar training program for the entire company to go through. It's good to come to management not only with a problem but a suggestion for the solution.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:41 AM   #22
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Kickbacks to individuals are illegal. Kickbacks to corporations are not only legal but required at least in the retail industry. Costco on the other hand says if you have more money available put in in the price.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:54 AM   #23
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I know your joking but,

Its not worth it at any price to lose my job or my own self respect..................
BS. Everyone has a price in which they’d look the other way... But, I agree with you. I’d not risk my job for $1,000. If he was offering an amount with a lot more zeros ( to the left of the decimal) then we’d have a serious conundrum.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:18 AM   #24
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You are forgetting option 4.
Take the $1000
“Leave the gun. Take the canoli."
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:29 AM   #25
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I'd take the grand in cash and report him as well. Consider it compensation for being in this situation.
I see you have never done Chicago style business.

OP needs to CYA without burning a long time business relationship. If's he is some new dick torch his ass. Carefully.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:39 AM   #26
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Option 5: "How about two?"
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:59 AM   #27
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If risking your job is a concern wonder if there's anything in the handbook that requires you to report such. If so, decision made.


This is really good advice.
You want to make sure that you cover yourself. IF there is nothing in the employee handbook then this becomes a decision based on your own morality. Basically, the ball is in your own court and you can do whatever you wish.

There is also an intermediate step where you can document and tell your supervisor. That will take quite a bit of the burden off you but as I'm sure you know, once the boss has the info you are NO longer in control of what to do.

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There is only one option and that is option one. Let us know how this turns out.
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:29 AM   #29
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In my industry, we have regular ethics "training" we have to take for compliance reasons, and things like this require reporting to HR or similar. If found that you didn't - even if you refused the bribe - it could be grounds for termination.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:11 AM   #30
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I would definitely tell your boss about it, and let him/her decide what to do about it.

One of the most irritating things in the world (to me) is that all sales people are taught to "assume the sale", that is, talk to you as if they know and you know that you're going to buy the item in question.

Of course if they MAKE the sale, it's good for them, but sometimes it comes off as so arrogant. I detest that concept. They should earn the sale, not assume it, and if you're clear that it's a quote, that's pretty easy to understand.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:55 AM   #31
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if you're clear that it's a quote, that's pretty easy to understand.
Reminds me of truck shopping many years ago and I briefly stopped into an ugly duckling lot that was at the end of the strip of dealers in Tampa. I sat in a late 90’s F150 that smelled of vomit despite the ocean of scent beads filling every orifice of the trucks interior. As I got out of the truck realizing my mistake, a truck I hadn’t even heard run let alone driven; the salesman with the look of a junkie finding his next fix goes for the sale and it went like this:

Salesman: So let’s go inside and sign some paperwork!
Me: No thanks, this is just preliminary
Salesman: What’s that mean?
Me: Preliminary?
Salesman: Yeah!
Me: have a good night

Being pushy is a common tactic, but not one that’s ever gotten my money.
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Me: No thanks, this is just preliminary
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:46 PM   #33
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Informing is never a good thing. I doubt I would do it but I understand the reasons for doing so. He put you in a tough spot.
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Old 04-19-2018, 03:57 PM   #34
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It's not informing, it's reporting. He owes no loyalty to the sales guy, but he does to his company.

Next time you have a similar decision to make, imagine this. Consider what you'll say to your boss afterwards if you get caught up in this, and how you'll explain why you thought it was a good idea not to report it.

I'd report it via an email. Then there is a "paper" trail, and it provides an official record that cannot be ignored.
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Old 04-19-2018, 04:50 PM   #35
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I mistakenly clicked on that in the desert portion of a family dinner with my volume high, I should have known better but the looks I got were worth it. They enjoyed the explanation at least.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:39 PM   #36
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It's not informing, it's reporting. He owes no loyalty to the sales guy, but he does to his company.

Next time you have a similar decision to make, imagine this. Consider what you'll say to your boss afterwards if you get caught up in this, and how you'll explain why you thought it was a good idea not to report it.

I'd report it via an email. Then there is a "paper" trail, and it provides an official record that cannot be ignored.
I have had similar situations and didn't. If it ever came up I would tell the truth.
I am not saying what he should do as that is his business. He is not caught up in anything if he didn't take it and the only way anyone ever finds out it was offered is if he tells.
As a boss if someone came to me with that I would think less of him for bringing it to me.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:49 PM   #37
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In my industry, we have regular ethics "training" we have to take for compliance reasons, and things like this require reporting to HR or similar. If found that you didn't - even if you refused the bribe - it could be grounds for termination.
This!!! Our company has an ethics hotline to call and ask how these types of things need to be handled, but at the very least you need to report it to your manager and HR rep...preferably at the same time. Like Andy said, even if you turned it down it can be reason enough for termination if not reported. Plus your company should know the type of people/companies they are dealing with.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:11 PM   #38
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As a boss if someone came to me with that I would think less of him for bringing it to me.
And I would think the better of him.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:44 PM   #39
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And I would think the better of him.
Absolutely.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:58 PM   #40
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I'd think about the same of him.
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