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Old 06-14-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
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A Look Back at Aviation in WWI

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Old 06-14-2012, 02:04 PM   #2
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Great video,Thanks
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:25 PM   #4
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Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
My dad (RIP) was really into WWI aircraft. I chuckled at reading how they spelled Nieuport 28's.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:26 PM   #5
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I love the simulator
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:09 PM   #6
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Very cool - thanks for sharing...
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No joke, it would be fun to build a simulator and put a flat screen, and the controls to run video games on it....

Cool doc type video, but it still amazes me that people trusted their lives to aircraft less airworthy than most RC planes today.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:00 PM   #8
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They didn't trust their lives to those planes for long. I read that the life expectancy for combat pilots in WW1 was a couple weeks. It was basically a death sentence.
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"They fly high and fast". Wouldn't want to give away any military secrets to the Germans!
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"They fly high and fast". Wouldn't want to give away any military secrets to the Germans!
Ha! Here's some of the technological secrets they kept from the enemy:
top speed, level flight (Vmax): 115mph
top speed before wing breaks off (Ve1, or Velocity you only exceed once): 117mph
aircraft weight: 1000 lbs.
weight of non-flammable parts: 300 lbs.
weight of safety equipment: 3 lbs.
weight of armor for pilot: 0 lbs
Date airframe certified by FAA: certi-what? FA what?
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Thanks so much for this old film. It should some interesting things. Don't know how many of you recognized the rotary aircraft engines shown in the first third of the film. The entire engine block was bolted to the propeller and the whole mass turned as an assembly - with the crankshaft bolted still to the aircraft frame. .very difficult to fly those aircraft due to the huge gyroscopic effects of the rotating engine. Turns brought strong 90 degree counter effect forces to the aircraft. Very difficult to land. Those engine types were abandoned very quickly. I'm surprised they were used at al,l they were so dangerous.

Also, a little seen clip showing Eddie Richenbacker (holding the dog) early in WW1 appears at about the 1/3 point of the film. Very important guy he became - first air ace, race car driver, owner of Indianapolis Speedway, began Eastern Airlines, did secret missions for the US in World War Two, began car companies, on and on... He was quite a guy.

Thanks for the film!
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Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
My dad (RIP) was really into WWI aircraft. I chuckled at reading how they spelled Nieuport 28's.
Don't understand the chuckle. Nieuport is the proper spelling for the French aircraft of that period. The company produced some important aircraft for the war effort.
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For anyone interested in those old rotary engines, this film has clips in the early one third showing the engines (at least one) staticly (not running) mounted on test stands prior to run-up - which shows the shaft mounted to the engine block. Then a few seconds later it shows similar rotaries being started by hand on the test stands - and run under test. You can see the entire engine block turning with the propeller so that you can't see but a blur of the engine. And then shows some running in aircraft. Very unusual. Because it quickly became recognized as a dangerous engine for aircraft. Those engines in that configuration totally fought the pilot in any kind of aircraft turn movement with strong gyroscopic precession forces which were 90 degrees counter to what the movement of the aircraft was.
Many men died trying to land those airplanes....

It's amazing that the thinking then even permitted the realistic use of such (today's thinking) obviously poor engine designs for aircraft. But.... in those days so many things were tried as ideas -- because so many things were new - unexplored ground, so to speak. It was an exciting time for machines and engineering - though dangerous....
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Don't understand the chuckle.
He's American, languages other than english are stupid.
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