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Old 03-23-2012, 07:00 PM   #21
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I am finding 3-4 4-5 5-6 really easy to do, but 2-3 is a little rough. Any tips on the gen 1?
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:17 PM   #22
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There is really no benifit to doing clutchless shifting. The transmission will shift faster, smoother, and without damage to components when the clutch is used. Like anything practice makes perfect, just work at being smooth in varied conditions and you will be fine.
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:43 PM   #23
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:19 PM   #24
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I use to clutchless shift a 4 speed car I had in my early years. I learned how when I lost my clutch linkage 1 night and had to drive 10 miles to get home. Made most of the traffic lights and the ones I didn't I would put it in netural and turn it off till the light changed and then start it in gear and drive off.

Couldn't do that with todays cars.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:14 PM   #25
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I ride pretty conservative. Not much throttle, not a lot of rpm's to the shift point and seldom use the clutch.

Most of the time, it's not a conscious thing. It's just so easy to put a very light preload on the shifter, an easy throttle roll on to 3 or 4 thousand rpm and a minor throttle roll off and it just goes silently into the next gear.

I wouldn't consider it under load or at rpm and I think my autopilot monitors that but under casual conditions I find my self shifting clutchless without a conscious decision or intent.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:03 PM   #26
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I am transitioning to using all clutch-less upshifts... I find it very easy to do, except 2-3 is still hard to do smoothly for me. It is just so much quicker/easier than clutch. And you can do it on a wide corner with minimal weight shift.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:07 PM   #27
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I had a 72 VW bug that I drove for about 200 miles with no clutch, cable broke. That took skill...
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:33 PM   #28
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i was playing around at the track today and was doing clutchless DOWNshifts.... gotta get that one right though... blipping the throttle and a downshift. pretty fun and just as smooth as clutchless upshifts.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:19 PM   #29
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i was playing around at the track today and was doing clutchless DOWNshifts.... gotta get that one right though... blipping the throttle and a downshift. pretty fun and just as smooth as clutchless upshifts.
I've never had the cajones to do this at speed. I had a buddy whos track bike was converted to straight down shifting and he borrowed someone's bike for a hot lap and forgot- powered down out of a corner and high sided.

I know it isn't the same thing, but that image is forever burned in my brain whenever I think about powering down.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:27 PM   #30
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I had a buddy whos track bike was converted to straight down shifting and he borrowed someone's bike for a hot lap and forgot- powered down out of a corner and high sided.
Are you saying he had a slipper clutch on his own bike?

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I've never had the cajones to do this at speed.
Learning going both up and down on a dirt bike makes for an easy transition to street. I probably wouldn't have learned if I had to do it on a street bike (but it's definitely do-able)
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:33 PM   #31
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Are you saying he had a slipper clutch on his own bike?



Learning going both up and down on a dirt bike makes for an easy transition to street. I probably wouldn't have learned if I had to do it on a street bike (but it's definitely do-able)
He's saying they reversed the shift pattern so instead of lifting up for a higher gear --- you push down.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:59 PM   #32
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He's saying they reversed the shift pattern so instead of lifting up for a higher gear --- you push down.
Ah ha, thanks Joe.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:26 PM   #33
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:35 PM   #34
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lets see clutch less shifting.

can do on a bike...No problem.
can do in a rig......No problem.
can do in a jeep (with a 196X something truck trani)...No problem.
can do in granny's old beater..No problem.

give me any stick shifter and it is possible to do this and never drop a gear.
some tranis do not like this, some are ok, and some love it.

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Old 05-02-2012, 01:24 PM   #35
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It's funny. I hadn't ridden a bike for about 3 years until the other day. My little brother's going to Afghanistan with the National Guard and he asked me to take care of his FZ6R for him while he's gone. No problem. Anywho, I got on the bike and started riding. After about 10 miles I realized I had hardly been using the clutch at all (1st to 2nd gear was about it). Old habits never die.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:42 AM   #36
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There is really no benifit to doing clutchless shifting. The transmission will shift faster, smoother, and without damage to components when the clutch is used. Like anything practice makes perfect, just work at being smooth in varied conditions and you will be fine.
That I definitely disagree with. If you do it right, it's smooth as silk and faster then using the clutch. Smaller power changes to the rear wheel, especially beneficial when in a hard turn (though you shouldn't shift through a hard turn anyway.) plus its a good way to show off to your buddies.
though I do agree its potentially dangerous to your components. Down shifting without the clutch? Bad idea.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:21 PM   #37
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I've been doing clutch less shifting. It is smoother then clutch shifting and on my last oil change there wasn't much on the magnetic drain plug.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:39 PM   #38
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just believe everything thats said in motorcycle forums .
If it tears up your tranny then the internet will come fix it for you.
smartest thing ever said. true story.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:22 PM   #39
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It's funny. I hadn't ridden a bike for about 3 years until the other day. My little brother's going to Afghanistan with the National Guard and he asked me to take care of his FZ6R for him while he's gone. No problem. Anywho, I got on the bike and started riding. After about 10 miles I realized I had hardly been using the clutch at all (1st to 2nd gear was about it). Old habits never die.
Matt, after you are done riding the bike, can i have the shock off of it? That is of course the bike is a 08 or newer. lol!
How you been? I still think about your dad from time to time. Just like yourself, he was a really neat fellow.
Anyway, all the best to you and yours.
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Matt, after you are done riding the bike, can i have the shock off of it? That is of course the bike is a 08 or newer. lol!
How you been? I still think about your dad from time to time. Just like yourself, he was a really neat fellow.
Anyway, all the best to you and yours.
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It's an O9 so I'll see what my brother wants to do when he gets back. Good to hear from you, brother. I hope you're doing well.
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